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Keygun

It`s is shurely an MC2100 Select 5. It`s part of the Renaissance mobile-radio-family,
Jedi are always handhelds. The RSS is called Skywalker and it can programm mobiles
and handhelds.

Keygun

Keygun

Those radios are known as HTX , Akeri , Odin or CP1000 . There are a bunch of different versions out there, and each version needs its own RSS. Some of them can do conventional channels, some do not. Real HTX (MPT1327) are trunking-only radios, so rather worthless. Some Odin-radios can do 100 conven...

Keygun

OK, it seems i need new eyeglasses.

The Ref Osc Modulation setting has to do with signallings
(PL or DPL for example), and is used to adjust them for
clean waveforms. On older radios it is called "Compensation".
So also no retuning necessary.

Keygun

Keygun

No, it is not only on UHF lowsplit -radios. You can encounter the mentioned problem on all bands, but only on a few frequencies. If you are a lucky guy everything works fine on your desired channels. To this day i was not able to determine the system behind this. So it`s still some kind of russian r...

Keygun

Let alone the Reference oscillator! If it is once set correctly, no more to tweak there!

Keygun

Keygun

If the wire jumper is too long, you maybe get problems with RF-pickup at higher power levels. This can cause some squealing noise on transmit. So it is always a good plan to keep the wire as short as possible . Should work without problems then. Yes, the lowsplit radios are not that widebanded, but ...

Keygun

The phenomenon with the PLL unlocking is not uncommon on Sabers, which are programmed with out-of-band-frequencies via a hacked RSS. That`s why i leave the RSS untouched. If i really need out-of-band-frequencies, i use a hex-editor to insert them directly to the codeplug. So the RSS stays unaltered ...

Keygun

Hi. There is no such thing like "typical values". The values differ from radio to radio. The maximum setting for deviation (7F)should give you something betwween 3.5 and 4kHz of deviation on narrow-band radios. But this should be verified with an service monitor. Maybe the radio was used i...

Keygun

Hi. The MX1000/Saber PA-modules are extremely widebanded. I`m always impressed to see, how far they can go behind their official band-limits. So there will be not too much difference in output power between 431MHz and 461MHz. But it is useful to know the exact actual outpower. Some guys tending to c...

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UHF-MX1000 radios are very "friendly", but below 433/434MHz sensitivity starts to suffer. TX will do 431MHz fine. No problem with unlocking VCO`s. So duplex/repeater frequencies are no problem; simplex-frequencies on the lower end of the band are. If you really need simplex-frequencies tha...

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The power switch is a real hard-switch (no soft-switch, which is controlled by the microprocessor), but the PA-module is always connected to the battery.

Keygun

Keygun

And don`t forget the good old "corrupted service settings".

Keygun

Keygun

Maybe the squelch setting is too tight and/or the corresponding station(s) are using too much deviation.

Keygun

Keygun

I have encountered the same problem on some radios with obviously corrupted service settings. Adjusting the service settings and reprogram them didn`t change anything. I had to create an default file and choose the RFP`s services settings , not the radios. After stuffing the file into the radio, the...

Keygun

Hmm, sounds like a defective PLL to me.

Keygun

Keygun

Yes, it was tal c um powder. I have several new Jedi-handmikes, some keypad-mikes for renaissance mobiles, all with a coiled rubber cord and all came with talcum powder covered cables. I guess the rotting plastic stuff is Motos lession how to create an never ending market for replacement parts. Unle...

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Yes, the answer is simple: There is no "portable counterpart" for some control head layouts in the Wookie model list. So replace the control head with a more common model (full keypad or rotary).

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It`s pretty "funny": 20 years old cheapo amateur handhelds are still looking like new, but i can almost watch my Motorola collection deorientating (at least knobs, PTT-covers, antennas). Even the much harder plastic knobs of Astro portables are beginning. It really sucks.... But don`t conf...

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Another thing came into my mind: Is the radio really programmed as an model III? Surplus-radios are sometimes loaded with scrap to make it inoperative.

Keygun

Keygun

On regular Sabers and european MX3000 the display board holds only the extended memory. It is possible to remove the board and reprogramm the radio as a model I without problems. SS always have the display board installed inside the frontshield (even on Model I radios, but the board lacks the displa...

Keygun

MT2000des is right. It also happens on Sabers. Mostly caused by bad RF-blocking capacitors inside the PA-module.

Keygun

Keygun

It is also no big deal. Replace the channel switch or (more simple) the whole control-flex/screen-assembly with one from a continous rotary radio (a scrap GP1200 is an ideal donation radio, because all of them have a continous rotary), change the modelnumber via Wookie and reprogramm the radio. It s...

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5Tone signalling (aka Select-V in Motorola language) is heavily used here in Germany. I guess it can`t do more or less than MDC. It`s OK for IDing, alerting and some status messages. But needing this, means you can`t use any of those nice US-market radios (Saber, Astro Saber. aso). The difference to...

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All MT2100 are capable of 250 channels. Wookie or regular Skywalker RSS doesn`t matter. A continous rotary radio is very nice to have. I allows to use all 250 channels also on top-display radios without keypad. You are no more limited to 16 channels each zone, but 3 Zones are the maximum (switchabl...

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Did you had the opportunity to check it on a service monitor? I bet, the sensitivity is out of this world. Reminds me of the good old MX300 VHF with the same option: The most sensitive VHF handhelds in my Moto-collection. It seems, a DSP is not necessary to build an outstanding radio.... Regards Key...

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--- B - U - M - P --- Hi folks. I`m just starting to wonder, why some Saber scrambler-modules generating an entry ("3" for example) in the RSS´ Radio Information Screen "DVP Version", while others do nothing. All tested Sabers have real modules installed (no bypass) and are worki...

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Hi. Has anybody ever seen a VHF Saber with build in RX-preamp? According to the service-manual, it is possible to replace the RX input-filter with an module, which contains an additional small amplifier (one stage, i guess). I have never encountered such an beast, even i had my hands on a lot of ana...

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The RF-boards in Jedi and Astro Saber are indeed very similar (except for the digital backend-chip in Astro-boards) and also there is a lot of difference in sensitivity on both radio-models - too much difference for the price-class.... I have some real hot Astro`s (< 0.22uV) and some showing only av...

Keygun

Yes, i have also encountered that phenomenon on a number of Jedis. I was also told, the problem is associated with the IF/AGC. In most cases it won`t affect normal operation, but nevertherless it sucks. I really like the JEDI series, but my experience is, that the are some of the most bug-plagued ra...

Keygun

Thanks for the info, but i already have a list of the common
secure-modules. I need informations why some secure-modules will be recognised by the RSS, and why others will not.
I`m also interested to know, which module is making which entry
in the RSS´"DVP-Version" field.

Regards

Keygun

Keygun

Hi folks. I`m just starting to wonder, why some Saber scrambler-modules generating an entry ("3" for example) in the RSS´ Radio Information Screen "DVP Version", while others do nothing. All tested Sabers have real modules installed (no bypass) and are working correctly in secure...

Keygun

Titan206 wrote: "the rib not connected to IBM PC".

I`m almost shure, your computer is too fast. Use an old and slow model with 286-processor and a maximum of 20Mhz clockspeed. I bet, it will work then.

Regards

Keygun

Keygun

No, you don´t need any hexediting. Since MTSX LAB is a Labtool, it allows you to change all bandsplit-dependent parameters of the codeplug. But it is also very easy to screw up a radio with an improper modified codeplug. I think, it is a better idea and more shure way to look for an "ready-to-u...

Keygun

No, you can`t use a MT2100-file for a US MT2000, if you want to stay with a US MT. It is possible to change the VHF file to UHF by altering all band related parameters of the codeplug. But i recommend this only to experienced users which are completely familiar with the Labtool. Not to mention, that...

Keygun

Windows XP and a 200Mhz processor is not a good idea on this rather old softwares. A very good and reliable platform is a 386DX or SX processor with 25Mhz clockspeed. On some radios even 25Mhz is too fast, so it is not bad, if the computer allows to turn of "Turbo". An exception are the ne...

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It seems, everybody has his own "secret" for flashing the radios :D . I never had problems with Wookie. The fact, that it don`t recognize some radio models, is not exactly a bug. Those models are not present in his model library, so Wookie simply don`t know them. We should not forget, that...

Keygun

Is your radio an MTS or an MT2000 ? Does it have Select5 signalling? What is the exact modelnumber of the radio? I your radio is a real US MT2000 (which has 60% MT and 40% MTS genes), it should be no problem to forcefeed an "european" file into the controller, using "Wookie LAB"....

Keygun

Forget MTSX-LAB and use Wookie-LAB or the very special Skywalker Engineering Tool (rather hard to find). They are still (some of) the best an most versatile tools for european MT-radios with Select 5 signalling. You can create default-files with the mentioned tools, so you don`t have to hunt for fil...

Keygun

A MT -controller can do 250 channels. Not bad, huh? Standard full-keypad MTS are capable of only 160 channels. No, the NTN7087A controller-flex should be used for MT and MTS - no GP900 and no GP900-99. A NTN7088A would be more fancy, because you don`t have the 16 channel-limitation for each zone any...

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It seems your search was successful:

NUE7235C - UHF-board, CENELEC (1W)
NTN7809B - GP900/HT1100 standard 16 ch controller
NTN7676B - MTS2000/MT2000/GP1200/PTX1200 full keypad front, CENELEC
NTN7087A - MTS2000/MT2000 control flex 16 position rotary + concentric switch

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It is also a good practice not to trust a working (especially ebay) radio, unless it is readable and programmable with the right RSS and completely tested on a service monitor. The right control flex for a GP900-99 should have an continous (not a 16 positions switch) rotary switch (keep in mind, tha...

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The Cenelec-firmware has some "Cenelec-specific" behavior, like limited audio-power, turning off the light, when the PTT is pressed or squelch opens, aso. So the controller should be reprogrammed as a full-power radio. If you have no access to the right LABtool to do this (the regular RSS ...

Keygun

I don`t think that JEDIs are bad radios. When everything works as it should, they can perform very good. But nevertheless they are a big step backwards - compared to milestones like SABER. And Genesis? They are unbelievable. Probably the most rugged handheld, M ever build. I really don´t know, what ...

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If you are in possesion of a original Motorola RIB, it is maybe a better idea to modify it, instead of building a "Unirib". So you still have Motorola-quality and no perf-board-junk flying around on the desk. Yes, all GP900 controllers are of the closed-architecture type. Even the 99ch-mod...

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Hi. The ETN4604A is a Cenelec controller-card for a GP900/HT1100 radio. It is a "closed architecture" controller, so forget about flashing. The NCN6107B is a controller-card for a GP900-99 (99-channel). It has a second EEPROM on board. It is also a "closed architecture" controlle...

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Hi folks. I`m playing with JEDI-radios since many years. I have a number of them with a wide range of manufacturing dates. In my opinion the older ones (1997 and older) are of better quality. Why? Not only the well known display problems on radios made after 1998 - i still have to see one bad displa...

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Thanks Is the GP1200 RIB to radio lead (which is on the Batlabs main site) ie only 3 pins (+BUS , BUSY , GND) OK for "basic" write codeplug to radio operation? If I want to flash GP1200 , do I need "6 pin" lead or will "3 pin" (+BUS , BUSY , GND) still be OK?? My GP120...

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The LED is an indicator for PTT, driven by the microcontroller. It can also be programmed to work as an Low-Battery-Indicator. That means the LED will blink in TX-mode, if the battery-voltage will drop below an certain value (can be adjusted via the service menu). The LED is not able to work as an R...

Keygun

Hey , you should see some of the Minitor 2's I took out of my storage building about a year ago, the monitor buttons had turned to goo! Yes, in Germany they are called "BMD" but have the same problem. Also the volume knob of the good old Expo handheld. Almost oil after some years... Keygun

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Hi folks. I noticed an strange phenomenon with some radios plastic parts (especially channel- and volume-knobs). This include radios like Jedi, Saber, MT1000, P200, HT800, aso. When they are not used for a while, at some time their normally black knobs are looking like they are slightly covered with...

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