[ KB ] Impact of 800Mhz Rebanding

[Victor Xray]

These slides come from Motorola's rebanding site and the 800 TA site.

[N7OLQ]

I have been looking at these documents on Motorola's rebanding site trying to see if my radios could be upgraded.

https://www.motorola.com/governmentande ... th=mssone2

These charts are for the current band assignments, not the band the system is moving to.

The mistake I made was that I thought I was in Category A, when in fact it is category B. In 'A' my radios can be 'retuned'. In 'B' however, Motorola does not list my radios at all. This leaves me to conclude that my radios can not be upgraded.

Thanks

[radioguruphil]

I met with Nextel and my Moto guy, my dept is on 851.3875. We are going to 855.1125. However, they are also going to change the channel asignments for the Mass. state trunking system. Something about chanel number assignments. I have been told that the Mts 2000 built before 08/96 do not have enough memory to do the new trunking plan. And we also figured out that most trunktracker scanners will not work either. When I get more info I will share it with all.

[apco25]

All this BS really comes down to is the NSPAC channels. THAT is what is causing the major headache. Everything else is a simple retune via software that is updated to support the new channels.

@#$%^& Nextel.

[VE9MP]

I know that rebanding won't have any real affect in Canada, but does anyone know if this might affect some systems that are very close to the border?

Also, since rebanding isn't taking place in Canada, will newer radios produced by M be able to work with the old channel numbering scheme or will they only work with the new frequencies?

[VE9MP]

I know that rebanding won't have any real affect in Canada, but does anyone know if this might affect some systems that are very close to the border?

Also, since rebanding isn't taking place in Canada, will newer radios produced by M be able to work with the old channel numbering scheme or will they only work with the new frequencies?

Hmmm? Anyone?

[larrybl]

visit http://www.rcc.com and look at the memo they filed to the FCC.

Larry

[txshooter]

The following comes directly from the list supplied by Motorola and Nextel. As with anything I am sure there will be exceptions to the rule, but this list should come pretty close:

PORTABLES
LTS2000 --> XTS2500 RB MODEL III
ASTRO SABER 512K --> XTS2500 RB MODEL III
SABER SI --> XTS2500 RB MODEL III OR XTS1500 RB
MTS2000 256K --> XTS2500 RB MODEL III OR XTS1500 RB
STX GEMINI PLUS --> XTS1500 RB
STX --> XTS1500 RB

MOBILES
LCS2000 --> XTL2500 RB
ASTRO SPECTRA PRE 1996 --> XTL2500 RB OR XTL1500 RB
ANY MOTORCYCLE RADIO --> XTL5000
SPECTRA W7 --> XTL5000 OR XTL2500 RB
SPECTRA W9 --> XTL5000 OR XTL2500 RB
SPECTRA --> XTL2500 RB OR XTL1500 RB
SPECTRA E --> XTL2500 RB OR XTL1500 RB
MAXTRAC --> XTL1500 RB OR XTL2500 RB
SYNTOR X9000 --> XTL1500 RB OR XTL2500 RB
SYNTOR X --> XTL1500 RB OR XTL2500 RB

MICOR --> XTL1500 RB
MOSTAR --> XTL1500 RB
TRAXAR --> XTL1500 RB
MOTRAR --> XTL1500 RB

ANY CONSOLETTE --> XTL5000

GUIDLINES FOR CHOOSING 1500 RB OR 2500 RB MODEL RADIO IN EITHER OR SITUATION.

PORTABLES
-IF PORTABLE IS MODEL III REQUIRES ENCRYPTION REPLACE WITH XTS2500 RB
- LTS2000 REPLACE WITH XTS2500 RB
- OTHERS REPLACE WITH XTS1500 RB

MOBILES
-IF MOBILE REQUIRES ENCRYPTION OR 256 CHANNELS REPLACE WITH XTL2500 RB
-LCS2000 REPLACE WITH XTL2500 RB
-OTHERS REPLACE WITH XTL1500 RB

Sorry for all of the caps in this. It was easier to do a cut and past from one of the memos I had.

Again, as with everything I am sure this is not set in stone, you can argue for other equipment, but this is the list that has been sent out.

[Pj]

RB?

[txshooter]

RB?

RB has been listed on the material I have recieved and discussions I have been in. My guess is the radio is no different, and may be a way of inventory control?

[escomm]

My guess is it stands for ReBanding....?

[Victor Xray]

Yes, ReBanding flash, and radio was provided as part of the rebanding program.

[larrybl]

The difference between "Standard" and "RB"

RB = 800 MHz only
RB = Does not support Channel Anouncement
RB = More expensive to upgrade to Full Feature (requires new PA deck to support 700-800)

Larry

[Victor Xray]

Thanks for the clarification Larry. I read that somewhere and totally forgot about it.

[littona]

Areas close to Canada are getting delayed in the grand scheme of things, as negotiations have to be made in those areas.

Replacement radios...the only Astro Saber, Astro Spectra, and MTS2000 radios that will be replaced are the older ones with less memory. Another discussion alltogether!

Here's the list....sorry I couldn't get the formatting right. Looks good until I post it!?

Original Model Replacement
ASTRO Saber I XTS1500RB
ASTRO Saber II, III, >48, Encrypt XTS2500RB
ASTRO Spectra Dash mount XTL2500RB Dash Mnt
ASTRO Spectra Remote mount XTL2500RB Rmt Mnt
ASTRO Spectra Dual Cntl Head or C9 XTL5000
ASTRO Spectra Consolette N/A XTL5000 Consolette
Desktrac N/A XTL5000 Consolette
GTX Mobile ALL Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
GTX Portable I Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
GTX Portable II, III Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
LCS2000 N/A XTL2500RB Dash Mnt
LTS2000 ALL XTS2500RB
Maxtrac N/A XTL1500RB
Maxtrac 800 N/A XTL1500RB
Maxtrac Smartnet N/A XTL1500RB
Mostar N/A XTL1500RB
Mostar ATM N/A XTL1500RB
Motrar N/A XTL1500RB
Motrar Control Station N/A XTL1500RB
MTS2000 I XTS1500RB
MTS2000 II, III, >48, Encrypt XTS2500RB
MTX800 I Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
MTX800 Keypad Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
MTX810 I Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
MTX810 Keypad Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
MTX820 I XTS1500RB
MTX820 Keypad XTS2500RB
MTX820S I XTS1500RB
MTX820S Keypad XTS2500RB
MTX850 N/A Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
MTX8000 I XTS1500RB
MTX8000 II, III XTS2500RB
MTX8250 I Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
MTX8250 II,III Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
Saber SI I XTS1500RB
Saber SI II, III, >48, Encrypt XTS2500RB
Spectra Dash mount XTL2500RB Dash Mnt
Spectra Remote mount XTL2500RB Rmt Mnt
Spectra Dual Cntl Head or C9 XTL5000
Spectra E Dash mount XTL2500RB Dash Mnt
Spectra E Remote mount XTL2500RB Rmt Mnt
Spectra E Dual Cntl Head or C9 XTL5000
Spectra Consolette N/A XTL5000 Consolette
STX I XTS1500RB
STX II, III, >48, Encrypt XTS2500RB
STX 821 I XTS1500RB
STX 821 II, III, >48, Encrypt XTS2500RB
STX Gemini Plus I XTS1500RB
STX Gemini Plus II, III, >48, Encrypt XTS2500RB
Syntor X Remote mount XTL2500RB Rmt Mnt
Syntor X Dual Cntl Head XTL5000
Syntor X 2 Remote mount XTL2500RB Rmt Mnt
Syntor X 3 Remote mount XTL2500RB Rmt Mnt
Syntor X 9000 Remote mount XTL2500RB Rmt Mnt
Syntor X 9000 Dual Cntl Head or C9 XTL5000
Syntor X 9000E Remote mount XTL2500RB Rmt Mnt
Syntor X 9000E Dual Cntl Head or C9 XTL5000
Traxar N/A XTL1500RB
Visar Privacy Plus N/A Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
Micor Mobile Remote mount XTL2500RB Rmt Mnt
Micor Consolette N/A XTL5000 consolette

[txshooter]

Looks strangely familar. I receantly posted almost the same information I recieved from different areas of the country.

Areas close to Canada are getting delayed in the grand scheme of things, as negotiations have to be made in those areas.

Replacement radios...the only Astro Saber, Astro Spectra, and MTS2000 radios that will be replaced are the older ones with less memory. Another discussion alltogether!

Here's the list....sorry I couldn't get the formatting right. Looks good until I post it!?

Original Model Replacement
ASTRO Saber I XTS1500RB
ASTRO Saber II, III, >48, Encrypt XTS2500RB
ASTRO Spectra Dash mount XTL2500RB Dash Mnt
ASTRO Spectra Remote mount XTL2500RB Rmt Mnt
ASTRO Spectra Dual Cntl Head or C9 XTL5000
ASTRO Spectra Consolette N/A XTL5000 Consolette
Desktrac N/A XTL5000 Consolette
GTX Mobile ALL Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
GTX Portable I Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
GTX Portable II, III Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
LCS2000 N/A XTL2500RB Dash Mnt
LTS2000 ALL XTS2500RB
Maxtrac N/A XTL1500RB
Maxtrac 800 N/A XTL1500RB
Maxtrac Smartnet N/A XTL1500RB
Mostar N/A XTL1500RB
Mostar ATM N/A XTL1500RB
Motrar N/A XTL1500RB
Motrar Control Station N/A XTL1500RB
MTS2000 I XTS1500RB
MTS2000 II, III, >48, Encrypt XTS2500RB
MTX800 I Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
MTX800 Keypad Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
MTX810 I Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
MTX810 Keypad Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
MTX820 I XTS1500RB
MTX820 Keypad XTS2500RB
MTX820S I XTS1500RB
MTX820S Keypad XTS2500RB
MTX850 N/A Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
MTX8000 I XTS1500RB
MTX8000 II, III XTS2500RB
MTX8250 I Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
MTX8250 II,III Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
Saber SI I XTS1500RB
Saber SI II, III, >48, Encrypt XTS2500RB
Spectra Dash mount XTL2500RB Dash Mnt
Spectra Remote mount XTL2500RB Rmt Mnt
Spectra Dual Cntl Head or C9 XTL5000
Spectra E Dash mount XTL2500RB Dash Mnt
Spectra E Remote mount XTL2500RB Rmt Mnt
Spectra E Dual Cntl Head or C9 XTL5000
Spectra Consolette N/A XTL5000 Consolette
STX I XTS1500RB
STX II, III, >48, Encrypt XTS2500RB
STX 821 I XTS1500RB
STX 821 II, III, >48, Encrypt XTS2500RB
STX Gemini Plus I XTS1500RB
STX Gemini Plus II, III, >48, Encrypt XTS2500RB
Syntor X Remote mount XTL2500RB Rmt Mnt
Syntor X Dual Cntl Head XTL5000
Syntor X 2 Remote mount XTL2500RB Rmt Mnt
Syntor X 3 Remote mount XTL2500RB Rmt Mnt
Syntor X 9000 Remote mount XTL2500RB Rmt Mnt
Syntor X 9000 Dual Cntl Head or C9 XTL5000
Syntor X 9000E Remote mount XTL2500RB Rmt Mnt
Syntor X 9000E Dual Cntl Head or C9 XTL5000
Traxar N/A XTL1500RB
Visar Privacy Plus N/A Not replaced - Non NPSPAC
Micor Mobile Remote mount XTL2500RB Rmt Mnt
Micor Consolette N/A XTL5000 consolette

[Victor Xray]

Updated the original post today with new slides, including info on the RB models
as well as an updated rebanding schedule.

[alex]

VX:

Would you consider making this a Knowledge Base article so we can move the sticky to there? I would work on shifting the messages from one topic to the other one, so the conversation travels with it.

-Alex

[Victor Xray]

Article Name: Impact of 800Mhz Rebanding
Author: Victor Xray
Description: Information on which Motorola radios are affected by the USA 800Mhz Rebanding project

Category: General Information
Type: General


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[alex]

Moved conversation to new thread - and KB article posted.