No ID being displayed in ASTRO mode (repeated)

Post by Pj » Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:41 am

An agency in my neck of the woods upgraded to an ASTRO system. They are running some sort of conventional/multiple site multicast system. Still haven't figured it all out yet.

Either way, none of their radios appear to be transmitting an ID, or its being stripped somewhere. I have never seen that. Display ID works from my radio (simplex/same freq/settings) but none of their stuff shows up. Never seen an IU stripped off before with an ASTRO system. I've seen it in a conventional system, but not ASTRO.

Any thoughts?

Post by **batdude** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:21 am

what kind of radios are they using?

perhaps NOT M?

infrastructure?

not M?

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Josh · Post by **Josh** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:23 am

The TSA at the airport runs an astro conventional repeater on VHF, I have never seen a radio ID come out of their repeater, and they use XTS5k's. It's as if they don't have it enabled.

-Josh

Post by Pj » Wed Aug 23, 2006 7:24 am

3K's, 5k's, ASpectra's. All Moto equipped. This is also a Fed agency...nothing special though.

mikegilbert · Post by **mikegilbert** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:43 am

I had the same issue in Oregon. The primary dispatch and data channels [conventional repeated/voted] carried the digital id- the repeated and voted Tac 4/5/7 channels didn't display ID.

I know you need H14/G114 Digital ID Display to decode the ID's, but do you need it to encode them?

-Mike

bellersley · Post by **bellersley** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:37 am

Depending on the type of user, they may have decided not to enable it just for the sake of avoiding "Why does my radio show a number/name when you talk?". If it's not something they would benifit from they probably just disabled it.

Josh · Post by **Josh** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:28 pm

I think the point he's trying to make, as am I in my situation is that the radio decodes NO ID, even with ID display enabled and supported, the received audio shows no radio ID at all. Not even the decimal value, nothing at all... the display continues to show the alias for the mode, and that's all.

-JOsh

Dale Earnhardt · Post by **Dale Earnhardt** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:04 pm

maybe a glitch on the radio.. sometimes when am listening to a p25 trunk system that is out here, the ID don't pop up sometimes.....

Post by Pj » Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:07 pm

Unless there is some secret menu item that I haven't seen, in the ASTRO Conventional mode, there isn't an option to turn off the ID. One of the P25? or Motorola selling points is that the ID is continuously transmitted.

MattSR · Post by **MattSR** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 2:08 pm

Are you using the correct NAC? The ONLY time that IDs are displayed properly are when you have the correct NAC in your personalities. If your rx unmute rule is set to Digital CSQ then you wont get IDs.

Code3 · Post by **Code3** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 3:06 pm

Exactly what Matt said, Figure out the NAC's and you'll be good to go.

Dale Earnhardt · Post by **Dale Earnhardt** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:25 pm

I agree too with the NAC.. but then again.. maybe he does have the right NAC... don't you Pj?

Post by Pj » Wed Aug 23, 2006 4:48 pm

I will...on Thursday if all goes good.

However, that does not explain why I get digital ID's when I set various Astros to different NAC's and a couple of other ASTRO systems that do not use 293 as the NAC while in DCSQ.

bellersley · Post by **bellersley** » Wed Aug 23, 2006 8:47 pm

Well, on my astro saber, and a friend's astro spectra, we get the id's displayed on problem when listening to a conventional astro repeater, using digital squelch..

MikeOxlong · Post by **MikeOxlong** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:18 am

I had the same problem on various radios until I put in the correct NAC.

MattSR · Post by **MattSR** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 3:44 am

Pj wrote:I will...on Thursday if all goes good.

However, that does not explain why I get digital ID's when I set various Astros to different NAC's and a couple of other ASTRO systems that do not use 293 as the NAC while in DCSQ.

Can you clarify this statement please? it makes very little sense at the moment.

ASTROs running different NACs wont communicate at all, let alone display IDs.

As for not using 293 while in DSQ mode, thats not a problem - as long as you have the corrent NAC in, you will decode IDs. Wrong NAC = No ID's.

Cheers & Regards,
Matt

bellersley · Post by **bellersley** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 4:40 am

I'm still not sure what you mean by no NAC, no ID. Barrie Police here in Ontario use VHF P25 Conventional. When I listen to them on my AS3 or on an Astro Spectra, it shows Digital ID's, and I don't have any NAC programmed in (using Digital CSQ). Likewise, when I talk from one radio to another using P25 Simplex, both radio using DCSQ, I see the SoftIDs.

Is it maybe a firmware thing that prevents you from viewing the IDs without the correct NAC?

Dale Earnhardt · Post by **Dale Earnhardt** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 11:12 am

lol I think Pj is tired or something..........

MikeOxlong · Post by **MikeOxlong** » Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:06 pm

Barrie Police with digital squelch on many different models of astro radios would not display any id's until I programmed in the correct NAC.

Could be a firmware issue.

Post by Pj » Thu Aug 24, 2006 2:38 pm

Dale Earnhardt wrote:lol I think Pj is tired or something..........

?

Well, I went playing yesterday, and this is what I did.

Properly optioned Astro Spectra, display ID enabled, set for DCSQ with a NAC of 165.

Similar Astro Spectra, TX with a NAC of 120

XTS5k TX with a NAC of 5BE.

Astro Spectra #1 displays the ID's of Astro Spectra #2 and the XTS5k conventional/simplex. Likewise, #2 displays the ID of #1 and the XTS. None display the ID of the ASTRO system in question. I also tried the F7E NAC on #1, no change.

You figure it out

Dale Earnhardt · Post by **Dale Earnhardt** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:21 am

Ok that is to wierd and Impossible!!!!!!

Has the radios been align recenlty???? .......

You sooo got to make a video and post for us to see... I think I would trip out everybody even more if we see it...

Am stumped....

MRFLASHPORT · Post by **MRFLASHPORT** » Fri Aug 25, 2006 7:05 am

Pj

Is " F7E " a special NAC code?