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Posted: Fri May 23, 2003 5:36 pm
by wavetar
jcobb wrote:Depending upon your point of view, technical expertise, stage in life, and other factors - a lot of threads on here are "a waste of bandwidth".
I guess that if that is so, then don't read it.
The Dayton "I was there" thread is such - but I am not jumping in there complaining.
If you want to be a moderator, apply for the job. The current moderators have been reading it.
So, your opinion is noted. But that's all it is, an opinion.
Jack
Hey, didn't mean to ruin your fun. However, it doesn't change the fact this fellow asked a legit question, and politely at that. The thread was perfectly normal through the first 9 posts. It then went quickly downhill, due in most part to 2 or 3 individuals. Not so bad in itself, but I've noticed a lot more of these downhill threads lately. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. Luckily, the mods have been there for most of them.
Todd
Posted: Fri May 23, 2003 6:10 pm
by JAYMZ
wavetar wrote:jcobb wrote:Depending upon your point of view, technical expertise, stage in life, and other factors - a lot of threads on here are "a waste of bandwidth".
I guess that if that is so, then don't read it.
The Dayton "I was there" thread is such - but I am not jumping in there complaining.
If you want to be a moderator, apply for the job. The current moderators have been reading it.
So, your opinion is noted. But that's all it is, an opinion.
Jack
Hey, didn't mean to ruin your fun. However, it doesn't change the fact this fellow asked a legit question, and politely at that. The thread was perfectly normal through the first 9 posts. It then went quickly downhill, due in most part to 2 or 3 individuals. Not so bad in itself, but I've noticed a lot more of these downhill threads lately. That's not an opinion, it's a fact. Luckily, the mods have been there for most of them.
Todd
Todd,
Even though I am now doing it as well.... you don't need to have the last word. Just let it go already. The dude was rude and we called him on it... IF it was really such a farce a mod would have hit the delete key long ago. There is nothing wrong with a little harmless fun once in a while. I don't know who you were refering to in your post but c'mon... let it go and don't be such a killjoy... Life is too short to be so serious all the time... if you can't enjoy life... no sense in living it.
That's it.. I'm done
Non-standard PL/DPL
Posted: Fri May 23, 2003 6:44 pm
by Cowthief
Hello.
I have also enjoyed the thread, but, all kidding aside.
The reason for standard CTCSS and DCS is that, in the case of tones, harmonics play a big part.
If, for example, you were to pick 100.0Hz, the first upper harmonic is 200.0Hz, nothing there; the first lower harmonic is 50.0Hz, again, nothing.
Now, you would not want to use 100.0Hz on a European system, why? 50Hz is the power line frequency; the first upper harmonic is 100Hz.
Communications radios, by there very design, have a certain amount of harmonic twist and distortion.
This is also why DTMF, a.k.a. touch-tone, has the odd tones.
Something similar happens with Digital Channel Squelch.
Some codes have mathematical doubles, and even triples.
This is why you will see skips on the DCS/DPL sheets.
Thank You.
Posted: Fri May 23, 2003 6:51 pm
by jcobb
It probably wouldn't have gone downhill so fast if it weren't for the fact that it was a follow-on to the thread that led into this one.
Lot of stuff that doesn't add up from that thread to this one.
Jack
Posted: Fri May 23, 2003 7:58 pm
by nmfire10
Jcobb, does your avatar automaticly change every time I come here? LOL.
Posted: Fri May 23, 2003 8:06 pm
by jcobb
Matt
Seems like every time I log in, I'm in a funny mood - and I got a lot of movie pictures that I have saved. Sort of a stress reliever, I guess.
Probably after a few weeks I'll settle down to a half dozen or so.......
Jack
Posted: Fri May 23, 2003 10:39 pm
by RapidCharger
jcobb wrote:Matt
Seems like every time I log in, I'm in a funny mood - and I got a lot of movie pictures that I have saved. Sort of a stress reliever, I guess.
Probably after a few weeks I'll settle down to a half dozen or so.......
Jack
And here I thought you had some random image thing rigged.
YES, this message going downhill has everything to do with that previous message, and let's not forget who picked the original fight. Someone did pick a fight with a nasty comment or a know-it-all attitude, and it was just too easy to go along with it.
Listen to the Phil Hendrie show, it's on nationwide at night on a talk radio station, he [phil] goes on and takes calls on controversial topics and the guest he has is really himself. He changes his voice. One of his most common guests, is Margaret, where he changes his voice to an obnoxious woman. Callers who are too stupid to realize time after time that it is really phil call in and get all riled up because the guest [phil] is saying whacked out things. An example topic might be: "Why the military servicemen/women should not be paid for their service" And the guest will of course say something like they should not get paid and give bizarre reasons why, and PHil will interview the guest [himself] and be on the other side, and callers will call in screaming either playing along or really don't know it's him.
If you liked this thread, you will love phil hendrie it's on every weeknight I think
http://www.philhendrieshow.com/
Posted: Sat May 24, 2003 7:41 pm
by wavetar
Sorry guys. I don't normally want to get the last word in, and in life, I'm definitely not the party pooper. You are correct, the poster did show a seriously immature & unknowledgeable side, but only after having his back up against the wall. That's all I wanted to point out...we were all newbies at one point or another.
Feel free to post after this, as I do not want to appear to be wanting the last word at all. I guess being in this thread 3 times I'm as guilty as the next person at this point.
Humbly yours,
Todd
Posted: Sat May 24, 2003 8:57 pm
by JAYMZ
wavetar wrote:Sorry guys. I don't normally want to get the last word in, and in life, I'm definitely not the party pooper. You are correct, the poster did show a seriously immature & unknowledgeable side, but only after having his back up against the wall. That's all I wanted to point out...we were all newbies at one point or another.
Feel free to post after this, as I do not want to appear to be wanting the last word at all. I guess being in this thread 3 times I'm as guilty as the next person at this point.
Humbly yours,
Todd
Well.. ok... fair enough....
Don't worry Todd.... we still love you..... smoochie boochies!!!
Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 8:49 am
by CAPTLPOL
Well out of all the "rigamarour" I have learned a thing or too. Not bad for such a odd post.
Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 10:19 am
by jcobb
Yepper - "Life is lak a box o' chocolates".
Or as one "scientist" (Bell Labs guy) once told me:
" 2 + 2 = 5, if you use large enough values for 2."
DOH!
Jack
Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 11:26 am
by RESCUE161
I have only one word:
"PRICELESS"...
Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 12:27 pm
by nmfire10
Is this going to be one of those threads that just never dies. Like 3 years from now, this post will still be up here and active.
Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 3:10 pm
by jcobb
Hey, that's an idea, Matt. If it can't be the funniest let it be the longest running......
Jack
Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 3:47 pm
by Bob
Damn... see what happens when you go away for a couple weeks? I feel left out.
PCX1612 wrote:and ill just call fcc tomorrow and ask again what the freqs are
Great. When you're on the phone with them, ask them if they know how to get in touch with the GLG20 who is working as a Klingon interpreter in Washington State. I seem to have lost his business card when my dog farted and my linear amp blew up my maxtrac.
Another one to add to the list.
Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 4:25 pm
by Heterodyne
Man, there isn't a lock on this topic YET??
Hah. I thought that the 'tread' was ovah, mon.
Re: Non-standard PL/DPL
Posted: Mon May 26, 2003 11:03 pm
by Cornel
Cowthief wrote:Hello.
I have also enjoyed the thread, but, all kidding aside.
The reason for standard CTCSS and DCS is that, in the case of tones, harmonics play a big part.
If, for example, you were to pick 100.0Hz, the first upper harmonic is 200.0Hz, nothing there; the first lower harmonic is 50.0Hz, again, nothing.
Now, you would not want to use 100.0Hz on a European system, why? 50Hz is the power line frequency; the first upper harmonic is 100Hz.
Nice thread, quite enjoyable for a while.
Just a quick observation about the quote above for those that are not into harmonics too deep (no offense intended to you Cowthief, I am sure you just didn't pay attention to it), there is no such a thing as lower harmonic. The harmonics are only integers of the base frequency. However in this case (PLs) , the 50Hz it matters as it may interfere with 100Hz (but it doesn't work the other way around, 100 Hz will not interfere with 50Hz tone).
Cornel
Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 4:39 am
by JAYMZ
nmfire10 wrote:Is this going to be one of those threads that just never dies. Like 3 years from now, this post will still be up here and active.
Oh lord I hope not.....
Although if you keep it going I would have to say you are a sad strange little man... and I pity you....
Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 4:47 am
by JAYMZ
Bob wrote:Damn... see what happens when you go away for a couple weeks? I feel left out.
Well no one said you HAD to go away.... at least you got a good deal on getting your car fixed....
Bob wrote:Great. When you're on the phone with them, ask them if they know how to get in touch with the GLG20 who is working as a Klingon interpreter in Washington State.
The GLG20 you refer to works in the steam tunnels and basement of the pentagon... the one in Washington State speaks Romulan...
Bob wrote:I seem to have lost his business card when my dog farted and my linear amp blew up my maxtrac.
First... you don't have a dog... You have Cats (Ugh!!)... but only by default
I think it was reversed with the linear was blown up by a 40 watt stick shoved into a 4 watt hole... or something to that effect. At least the electromagnetic pulse wasn't large enough to shut down Cowthief's insecurity system..... Too bad...
Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 7:03 am
by jcobb
JAYMZ - Don't you go "smoochie boochie"-ing around with Bob - you haven't seen MY he-hooters yet......
You're just way too easy.
Jack
Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 7:29 am
by JAYMZ
I was making up to Todd... I try not to hurt the ideals of others... when I do I apologize appropriately...
And I see you are still stuck on the nary a nibble/nipple thing....
Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 8:16 am
by jcobb
That's because you are such a tease.....leading me on then going off on a road trip with god-knows who to do god-knows what.
Now my feelers are hurt.
Jack
Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 9:00 am
by Bob
jcobb wrote:That's because you are such a tease.....leading me on then going off on a road trip with god-knows who to do god-knows what.
Now my feelers are hurt.
Jack, if you hurt your feelers, you need to pull away from the desk to avoid smacking your knuckles.
I know he wasn't doing anything with me. My girlfriend talks with his wife, so neither of us can get away with anything. Besides, I think James goes for uniforms... he blew a kiss to a Pennsylvania State Trooper on the way home.
I think Alex is going to keep this thread running just for the comedy value. And if he does lock it, I'll start another one just for him about steamrolling ducks.
Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 9:43 am
by JAYMZ
jcobb wrote:That's because you are such a tease.....leading me on then going off on a road trip with god-knows who to do god-knows what.
Now my feelers are hurt.
Aww Jack... don't feel hurt.... We're just friends... honest
(I think I've used that line on women before and it's supposed to work
)
Bob wrote:Jack, if you hurt your feelers, you need to pull away from the desk to avoid smacking your knuckles.
I know he wasn't doing anything with me. My girlfriend talks with his wife, so neither of us can get away with anything. Besides, I think James goes for uniforms... he blew a kiss to a Pennsylvania State Trooper on the way home.
Yeah... Love them PA Troopers... it more of an electronic HONK than a kiss though.... Although it was quite funny watching you almost pass out from laughing......
Bob wrote:I think Alex is going to keep this thread running just for the comedy value. And if he does lock it, I'll start another one just for him about steamrolling ducks.
Well it could have been worse..... At least you didn't need a gas mask for that.....
Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 9:56 am
by Bob
JAYMZ wrote:
Yeah... Love them PA Troopers... it more of an electronic HONK than a kiss though.... Although it was quite funny watching you almost pass out from laughing......
That was the best laugh I think I have ever had. And i'm sure the "Oh my god, I'm blacking out" part made it even more enjoyable. The look on your face was priceless though. It was "Now I have to steam clean my seats."
JAYMZ wrote:
Well it could have been worse..... At least you didn't need a gas mask for that.....
No, but a modified bra would have hurt.
Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 9:56 am
by Bob
JAYMZ wrote:
Yeah... Love them PA Troopers... it more of an electronic HONK than a kiss though.... Although it was quite funny watching you almost pass out from laughing......
That was the best laugh I think I have ever had. And i'm sure the "Oh my god, I'm blacking out" part made it even more enjoyable. The look on your face was priceless though. It was "Now I have to steam clean my seats."
JAYMZ wrote:
Well it could have been worse..... At least you didn't need a gas mask for that.....
No, but a modified bra wouldn't have hurt.
Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 10:05 am
by JAYMZ
[quote="Bob]
JAYMZ wrote:="JAYMZ"]
Well it could have been worse..... At least you didn't need a gas mask for that.....
No, but a modified bra wouldn't have hurt.[/quote]
How about a plunger?
Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 10:14 am
by Bob
To remove the gator from the toilet or the windshield?
Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 10:44 am
by Heterodyne
Well, you know that a thread has bitten the dust when Jcobb and Jaymz start in on their inane chatter.
No offence guys, but I think you two need the moniker "The Thread Killers" (grin)
Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 11:37 am
by JAYMZ
Hmmmm.... could be rabbit... could be.....
Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 12:57 pm
by jcobb
(Ahem) I prefer "poop-stirrer" myself.......although some misguided souls mispronounce it as "poopster".
"insane chatter" - the enlightenment of the unwashed has always had it's detractors. Hmmmmm - like "Nattering nabobs of negativism" seems to be a 'publican quote from some convict if I remember right.
And I remember seeing you, HD, with stick in hand on your way to the pot a couple of times!
Ah, cyberspace - the last frontier!
Jack
Posted: Tue May 27, 2003 1:03 pm
by alex
Since this topic has wondered a bit off course and seems to be having some issues rendering the thread, I'm going to lock it.
if you'd like to resume the off-thread conversation, feel free to pick it up in the lounge.
-Alex