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My VFD aquired aZetron M4010 console from the local PD. The County replaced the PD console with I believe a CommandStar loaded out. Anyway, we have a console. I am replacing all of our FD mobile radios with CDM1550 units so I will have an abundance of Kenwood TK760 units. I plan to use them for the console setup.

What I need is a manual on the M4010 and (i know I am not supposed to ask but will explain) programming software.

I AM NOT TRYING TO GET PIRATED SOFTWARE!

I contacted Zetron and they don't want to let us have the stuff. They said we have to go thru an authorized dealer.

I can do the install and program the console. I have several Hams that will also help with making sure the radios are configured correctly.

We just need the reference material and software to make it happen.

Are any of you guys dealers that would work with us on this?

jban wrote:My VFD aquired a Zetron M4010 console from the local PD. The County replaced the PD console with I believe a CommandStar loaded out. Anyway, we have a console. I am replacing all of our FD mobile radios with CDM1550 units so I will have an abundance of Kenwood TK760 units. I plan to use them for the console setup.

I maintain the telecomm & paging equipment for a hospital. Zetron had no issue with emailing a copy of the software & a huge PDF of the manual, once they figured out we had purchased it new through dealer channels and self-maintain the paging encoder.

Try this: Since the PD/County is the owner of record for the unit, have *their* radio person make the request on your behalf. Once they see the serial numbers match up, the problem will go away.

Martin

Just ask Zetron for a short list of authorized dealers and order through them. Should be no issue at all.
Kenwoods are about the hardest to interface to. Good luck.

Most likely you're going to need more than just programming, so getting together with a reputable radio shop that is a Zetron dealer is a wise move.

The 4010 series is a "self-contained" console, basically a glorified multi-line remote into which can be installed TRC cards, DC cards and E&M cards. It is not simply an operator position that connects to downstream central electronics bank. This means that you'll need one interface module for each radio to which you want to connect, and the module will have to match the type of interface you want to accomplish.

For multiple operator positions, you will need multiple 4010s, wired in parallel. This works OK for two positions, but can get a bit hairy for more than that, or if the positions are separated by any distance.

Thanks for the replies: We will be re-installing the console in the same manner it was originally. The cards are already installed. This console will be standalone. The only issue seems to be if we can interconnect the Kenwood mobiles we have or if we will need to replace them. Just wanted to try to use equipment and resources available. $ is an issue.

I have contacted Zetron again with more information. Will wait for a response.

You didn't mention whether you plan to use tone or DC termination, or an IRim box. If tone, here's a document---you also didn't say if they were 760G or just 760...at any rate, this sheet ought to get you started in the right direction. You do have KCT19s I hope?


KENWOOD TK-x60 G-Series  CPI TTP1 Tone-Termination Panel
Interface Cable Pinout Diagram & Configuration Instructions




TK-x60G FUNCTION TTP1
(KCT-19 Accy. Harness) (Connector J1)

PIN 4 WHT RX Audio WHT PIN 6
PIN 5 BLU TX Audio BLU PIN 1
PIN 6 BLK/SHLD DC Ground BLK/ SHLD PIN 7
PIN 7 RED +13.8 VDC RED PIN 2
PIN 8 GRN PTT GRN PIN 4
PIN 15 BRN Footswitch (MON) BRN PIN 8
*(Jumper pins 10 & 11 * PIN 10
to provide MON COM) * PIN 11



MODIFICATIONS:

TK-x60G
1) Install KCT-19 Accessory Cable Assembly, in accordance with service manual instructions.
2) Cut Pin 1 wire (BRN) on KCT-19 8-pin sub-connector D (CN4), splice an extension wire to the
accessory/peripheral side, and solder to CN1 pin 11 (designated AFO) on TX/RX PCB. This allows
use of filtered detector audio that is unaffected by the local volume control.
3) Short transistor Q27 E-C on TX/RX PCB to defeat the front-panel power switch. This forces the radio
to be ON whenever power is applied to the rear DC power connector.

TTP1
1) Clip or remove resistor R12 to use low-level TX Audio output.
2) Clip or remove resistor R17 to avoid loading down the audio line-input.
3) Verify following jumper placement:
- J3 at position 2,3 (Momentary MON operation).
- J5 at position 2,3 (RX audio gain LOW).
- J7 at position 2,3 (Requires HI to squelch).



TK-x60G PROGRAMMING:

Got another reply from Zetron. Even though we maintain our own equipment and are a public FD, Zetron said they can not help us. They stated it was Corp policy to not deal directly with the end user. We will have to go through an authorized dealer.

We just don't have the $.

Looks like we have a good paperweight until we can get it running.

Again, why don't you just ask Zetron for a list of authorized resllers in your area/state? Call one of the resellers and order your manuals.
I am in Canada and would sell you the manuals if you really need them.
There is an installation manual (about $35), a programming manual (about $35) and a set of schematics (about $70).

There should be no issue with ordering these through an authorized reseller. If they don't want to sell to you, make a call to the area manager at Zetron. It will be fixed very quickly. Zetron is very responsive. You should have no problems.

Went to take a good look at the new system at our PD. The system is tone remote to the console (radios in next room). I was also informed that the City (small town) is finally getting an integrated phone system that will be VIOP based.

Question: Since the phone system has a hub/switch presence in the radio room of the PD and the Fire station (6 blocks away) is also on the city Intranet to which the phone system will be connected, can we just link the old console to the PD?

If so, would this be cheaper, more/less reliable, etc than setting radios up locally?

jban wrote:Went to take a good look at the new system at our PD. The system is tone remote to the console (radios in next room). I was also informed that the City (small town) is finally getting an integrated phone system that will be VIOP based.

Hmmm..... VOIP for a public safety application? Does the municipality own the network or does this data flow over the public internet? VOIP works fine in an application where you can guarentee the bandwidth, but can fail miserable if you cant.

The other issue is that most large phone systems have some sort of reserve power (UPS or a DC plant). VOIP is at the mercy of every little data closet with a Hub or switch with no significant UPS (or alterntely no HVAC when the power is off).

The network was originally obtained as a public access internet grant program, which ran for 3 years with terminals located in selected locations. It is a closed wireless network that is now owned by the City. It is not a public wi-fi system and access is regulated (it is really firewalled out).

The phone system is just being incorporated into the network. This is the normal city phone system not the 911 system.

I was just curious if this would be worth investigation. At present we have 3 options. Local radio setup, hanging cable between the 2 facilities (about 6 blocks, city owned utilities, or the VOIP.

We had planned on doing the local setup but wanted to seek input about this possible option.

Thanks