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Posted: **Thu Sep 12, 2002 5:38 pm**

Hello everyone,

Im trying to read/write to a HT600 I have, and I keep comming up with the error "serial bus access error 003!!!" written exactly like that, when I try to read the radio.

Here's the setup/info:

Packard Bell 286/40mhz, desktop
Real /\/\ Rib
Decent prog. cable, but not /\/\ orig.
2 channel UHF HT600 (powers up/works)
Radio m# H34SVU7120BN
RSS version R02.03.01, installed on puter hard drive.
No rss manual, or idea what the error code means.

Any suggestions? This is pi$$in me off.

Thanks much in advance,

Chad

Posted: **Thu Sep 12, 2002 5:42 pm**

the error meens that your rib is not communicating with your computer or that your rib cannot communicate with your radio.

check your cables including the serial cable and the db 15 wireing on the rib.

also make sure your rib battery is good.

Bill

Chato wrote:Hello everyone,

Im trying to read/write to a HT600 I have, and I keep comming up with the error "serial bus access error 003!!!" written exactly like that, when I try to read the radio. Here's the setup/info:

Packard Bell 286/40mhz, desktop
Real /\/\ Rib
Decent prog. cable, but not /\/\ orig.
2 channel UHF HT600 (powers up/works)
Radio m# H34SVU7120BN
RSS version R02.03.01, installed on puter hard drive.
No rss manual, or idea what the error code means.

Any suggestions? This is pi$$in me off.

Thanks much in advance,

Chad

Posted: **Thu Sep 12, 2002 8:42 pm**

HI:

A more common failure that will lead
to that is the [ Universal Pins ] in the
Radio may have become damaged.

Technical Tip; ( ONLY FOR READING )

When trying to [ Read ] the Radio, Push pretty
hard on the program connector towards the back
or front.....If the Radio starts to read, chances are
there are some broken / damaged pins that will
have to be resoldered.

One major ground is [ UNDER ] he 6 channel
Switch...It can be sesoldered, but its a hassle
to get to it...

Monty

Posted: **Fri Sep 13, 2002 2:46 am**

Also clean the gold pins with a pencil eraser,some times thats all it is.

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2002 8:38 pm**

I have the same problems with my setup. error 11 and error3 is all i get.. I got fed up and took it to the motorola shop and they programmed with no errors. I bought a motorola program cable and made one and still the same results. I checked the contacts and the are solid. It don't make sense motorola shop worked fine but my stuff didn't.. Any advice would be great... thanks

Posted: **Sun Nov 03, 2002 10:25 pm**

Hi:

Again with respect to programming which really has
been covered many times, it is VERY important to have
a good Rib Box, Cables, battery Etc.

The Pro's generally have NO problems working lets
say with a Clone Rib, but they have YEARS of experience
ahead of someone that may be a beginner.

When Programming HT600's, there is no real secrect, other
than what has been mentioned above.

So long as you have a good 386-486-25 Series computer,
along with a known Good Rib Box, you should be OK.

Other than perhaps the Contacts on top of the Radio, The
grounds which sometimes break inside the radio, they are
pretty bullet proof.

NOT ALL COMPUTERS are compatable with MRSS, as in the Toshiba
T1000 series...For what ever reason they just don't like MRSS.

So, you may have a Computer Problem ( Which I suspect ) and
although it may work, it could have a Memory Allocation problem,
or who knows, the Com port may be shared with another piece
of hardware. All of these factors & others have a major impact
on porgramming ( any ) Radio.

It could be as simple as the choice of the Com Port. If you have
the Booklet that came with the Software, its pretty clear on the
" How Too".

As more and more persons get into Prorgamming Motorola
Radios, there most likely will be a increase in problems similar
to this.

If time permits, I will make a Doucument Covering the Pro's / Con's
of programmimng.

I am far from being a expert, but I have learned from square one
sort of speak...and I have tried just about every combination possible with various and mixed results.

I can Stress the importance of a Known good Rib box, Fresh Battery, Power Supply, well made Program Cables, and of course
a good 386-486-25 Series Computer that is ( Dedicated ) to
Just Programming Motorola Radios using DOS 6.22

If you try and perhaps try and use DOS under a WINDOWS OS,
it may ( and often does ) cause problems UNLESS you are a skilled
Computer Tech.

Seasoned Computer Techs don't need advice very often, as they
give advice most of the time.

Monty

Posted: **Mon Nov 04, 2002 3:21 pm**

I am having the same problem with the ht600's

if i power down the rib, i get one error number and if i power back up the rib i get a different error number which lis telling me that the rib to computer connection and port settings are good.
but the rib to radio link is having problems.

BUT FINALLY - someone on the list has takin an ht-600 to the moto shop and THEY have programed it with no problems!

which conforms my theory: the moto shop's are either useing
a different rss (perhaps lab rss for the ht600) or they are useing a "smart" cable. or there is some wierd button combo or jumper
in the ht600 that only the moto shops add or remove to "lock" the radio - or even a spacial codeplug locking software (yes i have heard rumors about the subject).

i do remember a cable that did have some active components
in the db-25 jack hood - but cannot remember which ht it was for.

i do know that the cable was for use with the rib - it was not a standalone cable.

wpom946 wrote:I have the same problems with my setup. error 11 and error3 is all i get.. I got fed up and took it to the motorola shop and they programmed with no errors. I bought a motorola program cable and made one and still the same results. I checked the contacts and the are solid. It don't make sense motorola shop worked fine but my stuff didn't.. Any advice would be great... thanks

Posted: **Wed Nov 06, 2002 12:08 am**

Quote]I am having the same problem with the ht600's

BUT FINALLY - someone on the list has takin an ht-600 to the moto shop and THEY have programed it with no problems! [/quote]

I will try this again: This just means the Motorola shop has the
proper Program Platform.

which conforms my theory: the moto shop's are either useing
a different rss (perhaps lab rss for the ht600) or they are useing a "smart" cable. or there is some wierd button combo or jumper
in the ht600 that only the moto shops add or remove to "lock" the radio - or even a spacial codeplug locking software (yes i have heard rumors about the subject).

ONLY the Factory is Licensed for the Labware for the HT600's
which really excludes the general shops. Only way to disable
the HT600 from Programming is to break one of the lines leading
from the Universal Connector to the Radio...Hardly Worth the
time really.

i do remember a cable that did have some active components
in the db-25 jack hood - but cannot remember which ht it was for.

HT600's DID NOT have ANY Active Componets in the DB25 Shell, only High-End radios w/ Flash Capabilities have that...HT600's
were based on a much more simplier program approch

Again, Just make sure you cable is built correctly, if needed I can
make a Photo and color Code which wires go where if the 2 Batlab
Diagrams confuse you.

Monty

Posted: **Wed Nov 06, 2002 10:34 am**

Monty wrote: Again, Just make sure you cable is built correctly...

I would stress this. I went through all of this to find that the cable that I bought on Ebay was the problem. In the connector hood to the radio, the 'smart guy' seller didn't put any heat shrink on the exposed wire, so when it all got put back together wires crossed, rembber: buyer beware. Good luck, even if you built the cable you should take it apart to make sure its right.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2002 1:41 am**

The HT600 and the P200 RSS does not like a fast computer or anything other than real dos 6.x. A DOS window will not work correctly.
Remember as Monty and others say, this RSS was designed to work from DOS5 and 6.x only.
1) Slow computer, 386 40 MAX
2) DOS 6.x ONLY.

I have to use the AST 286 10 computer for HT600/P200 with all but the latest release HT600 RSS.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2002 7:47 pm**

i am still wondering why i cannot program the ht600.

my programing computer is an ibm ps2 286 running dos 6.20 only
(no windows on this machine), useing the onboard serial ports.

my rib is the gantz rib and my cable and rib have been tripple checked my me - as has the diffference between the moto and gantz rib.

my friends rib and moto cable also will not program the ht600.

i have four ht600's and none will program.

i read all of the ht600 and ht posts and fallowed all instructions - even ohming out the ht's pcb,flex cable and programing cable.

the grounds on the ht600 are fine also.

one of these day's i am gonna take the ht's to moto - just to see if they have any luck.

the rib i have will program any "rj-45" style radio with no problems.

Bill

April wrote:The HT600 and the P200 RSS does not like a fast computer or anything other than real dos 6.x. A DOS window will not work correctly.
Remember as Monty and others say, this RSS was designed to work from DOS5 and 6.x only.
1) Slow computer, 386 40 MAX
2) DOS 6.x ONLY.

I have to use the AST 286 10 computer for HT600/P200 with all but the latest release HT600 RSS.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2002 7:57 pm**

One problem here, the RJ45 "type" programming cable does not use the BUSS- or the BUSY functions in the RIB. Some aftermarket RIB's do not have the BUSS- or even the BUSY lines. And some RIBS will not work correctly on some computers due to wrong RS232 levels. Motorola RIBs are no exception, see the posts on that here on BB.

It is very hard to test without a calibrated standard of known function.

Posted: **Thu Nov 07, 2002 10:03 pm**

Thats why this prob is really puzzleing me.

the gentz rib and the moto rib are alike, all the lines are the same
it does include the buss- busy and even the bias circuts.

i even did the mod for serial port probs which involved changing
two resistors on the computer port.

is there a way to "loopback" a rib for testing it.

or any voltages/logic levels, i can test for on the rib?
loopback meening at the radio connector not the serial port.

Bill

Posted: **Fri Nov 08, 2002 2:13 am**

n8uhn wrote:Thats why this prob is really puzzleing me.

the gentz rib and the moto rib are alike, all the lines are the same
it does include the buss- busy and even the bias circuts.

i even did the mod for serial port probs which involved changing
two resistors on the computer port.

is there a way to "loopback" a rib for testing it.

or any voltages/logic levels, i can test for on the rib?
loopback meening at the radio connector not the serial port.

Bill

Another guess: Do all four HT600 came from the same source?
If they are former gouvernment-radios, is is possible that somebody
has cutted/unsoldered the Data-Line (or Busy-Line) inside the radios,
to avoid that unauthorized persons are able to read the codeplug,
if the radio is lost or stolen. Did you checked that?

Keygun

Posted: **Fri Nov 08, 2002 2:35 am**

Time to try an HT600/P200 from a totally different source and see what happens. I have a hookydooky brand RIB and cable (yes Monty, I know!!!), and a who-knows-what brand 386/sx16 laptop - works 100%.

It does sound like you've checked it out carefully though, so yes, a different radio - just to see what happens.

Good luck,

Batboard

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